Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. Posts: 28 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014: posted January 23, 2014 08:42 PM Hi, . I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) The 12th house has to do with summarizing and accepting all that has come before it, whereas first house planets are very pure, almost innocent, in their expression. Youre a poet of poets. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? This makes so much sense. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. The midpoint chart reveals the relationship on another level entirely. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad Chiron in 12th House I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. Learn how your comment data is processed. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! Id appreciate any information. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? We fall, and find the world. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. As the article says : this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! They often feel out of place and misunderstood. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. It feels that we are very free together than alone. Illusions yes I know. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. When the transit Moon is in the composite 6th house, you may be a little emotionally picky in the relationship, and can be a little judgy with one another. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Doing stuff without thinking clearly. Whatever I told you would not have a context. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. Chiron in Pisces or the 12th House: 5 Ways it Affects You . We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Because thats what it feels like! But my heart and mind keep telling me to fight again. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. I think this is SO true . Past Life Indicators in Synastry and Karmic Relationships - Astrology (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) Composite Saturn is in the 1st. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Escapist activities such as drugs, drinking, watching television, and compulsions are often found here in the12th house. Thank you. These natives like the challenge of conquering a possible partner. or is it irrelevant ? Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. But thank you for helping me face reality. . What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. Separation from the Source may lead to existential pain. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. You can have flashes of insight into subconscious topics, but they can also wreck a relationship. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. but the rising is scorpio. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. Composite Chart: Composite Ascendant Signs | Cafe Astrology .com Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Oh the powers of the 12th house. Chiron in the houses will show where your sign is expressed, including the location, the part of the psyche, the timeline, etc. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. Haunting When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Im glad youre enjoying it. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. should i run away from this relationship? I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th house cusps). My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? Unable to forget it? where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? He didnt want to commit/marry. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. I dont know whether this situation is karma? Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence It's easier when the house represents something solid, like the fourth house with its emphasis on home and family and roots, because there is something for the composite energy to hang itself on. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. Hi!! Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! The 12th house in astrology is the hardest part of your chart to get to know. (excuse my bad English) Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. This compo Pisces Lilith in house 12 falls on the exact degree of my natal Waldemath H58 , and she also falls on his natal antivertex. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. !! Could I ask Your opinion? What to make of this? The examination of two natal charts shows how people interact with one another==how I affect you, and vice versa. It's on my twelfth house and I don't really understand how to interpret that. 50 is also the average age of menopause and beginning of. Composites are entirely hypothetical, but can provide key understanding to some relationship dynamics. The aspects of the composite Moon will show how effectively they deal with the energies. It's more difficult if something like the 12th house is emphasized; all that energy pouring into a house whose task is to dissolve and resolve, to . clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. Venus In 12th House, Venus In Twelfth House Meaning, Venus In 12th Thank you SO very much for this post. Dear Dawn, Everywords pounding in me. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. My first sister has Chiron in the 12th house of gemini, and she was 'born dead' due to suffocation from inhaling meconium. hi dawn:) Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. The 12th house native likely suffered in their childhood due to being overly sensitive and empathetic. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Well, his descendant point, and his ascendant ruler both conjunct my natal Lilith in my12 th house, orb2. . Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. Do you think that is true? And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes. this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. The doctors were able to revive her, but she suffered irreparable brain damage as a result. However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Topic: Composite Chart: Moon and Chiron in the Seventh House: Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake . Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. venus all in the 12th house. It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this It has been a very long journey! We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. Sorry, I cant respond to lists of aspects. What is important to each person in the relationship as far as values, is highlighted with a second sun house in addition to how the couple supports themselves financially, accumulates possessions, and enjoys earthly pleasures. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. I've been hearing it's some kind of unrequited love for the venus person's part, but . Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. So to me, it's all about commitment issues. This is not only with regards to emotions but also physically. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Thanks Dawn! The 12th house is called the house of ends. cheers:). I know that there is a purpose regarding this relationship, but i cant find it He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. I cant really comment without seeing the charts. with "openings" into new interests and abilities that can be. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. The Composite Chart: Relationship Astrology Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. Thank you for your insight. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. Another spin given to the 12th house . We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. . Chiron in the Composite Chart - The Dark Pixie Astrology Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. I am sufficiently haunted. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. All that positive Saturn synastry for durablilty, moon conjunction, and all those personal planet oppositions make us feel like the same person sometimes. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. So, one might experience a number of spiritual or religious . I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. Most of it is illusions I know.. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. However, with so much 12th house a individuals, and then as a couple, can there be something more than We are fated, but we are meant to part. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? I don know what to do. RUN ? By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. hills HOW TO SEE HOW YOU AND YOUR PARTNER WILL END IN I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. What should i do? Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. Lord knows I do drive myself crazy with lost love/unrequited love. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! Pemo Theodore - Unravelling the Mysteries of Love through the Composite The attraction was instant. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. sounds pathetic, but thats just the nature of 12th house love; you cant downsize or decrease its feeling and meaning.. What a way to describe it ~ nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives or my life as far as i know, this was exactly how I confused myself in this short and intense relationship with an ex. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? It also works the other way. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. We are both married similar age kids. So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Is there something to be read from this cluster of planets in 12th house? Thanks. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! In synastry, I have my sun, mercury, and mars in his 12th house in pisces, and his venus in my 12th house in cancer/gemini. Our composite mars is in cancer in the 12 house. My english is not very good. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). I think the fact that were both artists gave this aspect an outlet. Ego issues in relationship. Thank you for this article. A heavily posited first house suggests a powerful and active relationship. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. We are mainly connected by a love of art, music and film. The ego thing is very true. Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? Planets in the 12th are considered to be undevelopd or lacking something in terms of karma. Its part of me. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? We work together, this relationship is definitely a karmic one, but now, after 1 one year of being together, there are some difficulties. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. Composite - Chiron - Lindaland - Linda Goodman We both have natal moon in house 12. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Hes Gemini sun . But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul.