Autumn your right the transcript of that interview (which I hadnt seen) is not accurate at all. If the child has been missing for months, resistance to accepting death is much less.3. Have those sightings been discredited? William Tyrrell's former foster mum 'knows where he is', cop claims They had a close relationship. Adrian. It seems doll Tara was indeed Williams favorite toy because there is a video of him doing some sort of karaoke and the doll is lying in front of him on the keyboard (in the first minutes of the first part of the 60 minutes episode). Why should it be a secret to protect the child? August 24- William's foster child status is revealed after a landmark court ruling. A senior detective has told a court he believes the former foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell knows where he is. This could open up different scenario Part 1.As far as I am aware the only people at the house when William disappeared were the mother, grandmother, Williams sister and William.Emergency Call:Operator: There wasn't anyone um suspicious in the area? CINDY ANTHONY: What`s your gut telling you right now? But that isn't the only reason the identity of children like William remains protected. He [wouldnt] go far.The fathers answer has problems with the order of events we see he says he I arrived back, I was on my way back and then I`d arrived back.Id arrived back [and been asked] if William was with me This is very vague information. Why did he care about me so much?How did he know exactly when to show up?In order to save me?Try as I might I don't understand.I still remember the scanningHe did when he grasped my armScanning me for what kind of danger I was inAnd he transmitted the answers to the questions I had been asking him Into my brainI could see him Escapingscared, intense, anger,,,running, running, as fast as he could, out of breath, running runningMeanwhile he was scanning me He was doing both at onceTransmitting and scannning.And I knewClear as dayHe escaped from prisonHe showed me when he transmitted into my brainI was only 4 years old.ButHe knew I knewHe gave me a wide grinHe wrote in the letter "When I met you you reminded me of myself. A detective has told a court he thinks Tyrrell's foster mother knows where the missing boy is. The stay-at-home mum from Sydney's west has two younger sons who remain in her custody, and William's older sister, who is also in foster care. During the inquest she told the court how she thought that was odd because: "The driveways are really long so to walk down the driveways doesn't make sense if you were visiting someone"She says the cars were dirty and old and had tinted windows so you couldn't see through them. 'I'm not saying this to detract from the relationship he had with his biological parents,' she said, 'because I think that's incredibly precious and special. Nine months after William Tyrrell was born on June 26, 2011, he was taken from his birth parents, who had a history of substance abuse and domestic violence. (Inaudible) saw sitting down (points at porch). Any vehicles?Foster Mother: No, no, no, no well not that I [no] know, not that I'm aware of. She was supposed to be at a football game. Of course I may have made a cup of tea and gone to the toilet as well but I think most people would not mention those things as they are routine everyday actions.The difficulty begins If my next door neighbour had been murdered that afternoon and the Police asked me the same question. Over the seven years since his disappearance, some 600 people have been considered persons of interest. When you say arriving quickly it sounds like driving. The foster mother dialled Triple-0 within 20 minutes and police took six minutes to arrive. The question is why did the foster mother come up with two cars instead of one? You lot need your tin foil hats replacing, the craziness is leaking into your brains..If you put as much effort into really looking for William, rather than blaming the wrong people, he might have been found by now..Absolutely astonishing, armchair detectives at their worse! Operator: OK can you describe him to me how tall, obviously not very tall but approximately Foster Mother: No, he'd be about two and a half feet. It`s a strange thing to say that a three year old wouldn't "even" cross the street by himself". There is something curious in this respect though (Adrian also mentioned it): in the 60 minutes episode only one daughter is mentioned, so why did the foster mother say "my other daughter" in the 000 call (000 is the Australian 911)? The most baffling thing is: she never asks for help. www.kidspot.com.au That's not what she said however: its all these authorities flying and having flown over that make her (say she) want(s) to act. If his play shoes were at the door, it could be the case that William went missing without any shoes. We expect an honest person to say two officer without the extra word just inserted. November 11: The deputy state coroner releases footage of William Tyrrell and family at Heatherbrae McDonalds, on September 11, 2014, Feb - March 2020: Gary Jubelin defends four charges of illegally recording person of interest Paul Savage in court hearing, February 21: Daily Mail Australia reveals Frank Abbott was arrested in custody for the purposes of a police interview about William's disappearance, March 2020: The coronial inquest into William's disappearance resumes but stops with two days to go due to the coronavirus outbreak, April 6, 2020: Magistrate Ross Hudson delivers his verdict in Gary Jubelin case, April 8, 2020: Jubelin is convicted of all four charges and fined $10,000. Nannas house is on a cul de sac and not close to the street. I am aware there are many reasons for past tense usage in statements. On Thursday, detectives from strike force Rosann which was established to investigate Tyrrells disappearance issued a 56-year-old woman with a court attendance notice. "Imagine having your son taken away and doing everything to try and get him back, only for him to go missing.". ] She says you guys [have] to know the details because she wants to force her story on them. Is she trying to convince that she was there the entire time? One is a person who saying a lot but telling us nothing and the other is someone who has a need to tell us something but only when they have a need to convince. The full quote of I see nothing, I hear nothing, Im speechless reminds me of the three monkeys. Deception indicated.Melissa wasn`t lying when she said that she was just there physically Karlies body was there, but unfortunately she was not alive at that time. . I agree with you that if someone says they see nothing it represents them being blind, like you said that could be because of darkness or other factors. Its horrible. William Tyrrell's foster-mother has broken down on the stand recalling the moment she thought that her son's abductor also planned to take her daughter. How old was the playmate? How very perceptive. William is just one of 20,000 children in out-of-home care in New South Wales. That she has mentioned these things while discussing her missing stepdaughter is concerning.The brushing of teeth falls into the category of personal hygiene. Again, as mentioned by the mother, this story is ridiculous. And so, if you needed to know all that great. I thought it could be five is not specific; the mother expects the operator to interpret five as five minutes, when it could be five hours, or longer - generally, people tend to avoid telling a direct lie. I believe Melissa up until we get to the use of the word just (twice). That was the wraah daddy tiger"-thing and that was a wraah. Voice over: When was the last you, you saw him?Foster mother: Playing around that patio area. Why have they been labelled by some as vigilantes? In the initial stage, it didnt even occur to me that those cars werent there.Those cars werent thereAutumn. There is no suggestion that any of William's foster family or his biological family had anything to do with his disappearance. How many daughters were at the home that day? Did he fall off the balcony?Did the playmate cause the death and the mother is withholding knowledge?Was William's body hidden in the state park? Key points: A recorded message from Tyrrell's sister was played at the inquest Tyrrell's foster parents became emotional as the inquest closed Three-year-old William vanished on September 12, 2014 while outside his foster grandmother's Kendall, NSW home. She didnt leave in a [car] and then I dont have a physical description of a [vehicle]. If Melissa hit Karlie while intoxicated-that may have caused the cover-up. When Melissa and Zac were on Dr Phil, they refused to give their address and any information about the witnesses to the shows producers. Or did she mean that William disappeared minutes after she took the picture of him on the patio? William Tyrrell's foster-mother has broken down on the stand recalling the moment she thought that her son's abductor also planned to take her daughter. And he was playing on the, the grass and then what he did was, he went, ehm, just around to the right. There is so much to decipher in this statement. As the family statement was delivered to an emotional courtroom, William's birth grandmother sobbed in the witness box. You said Previously she mentioned that [missing pronoun] got in our cars and just started driving all around.Yes I agree there is a lack of commitment with the missing pronoun but also if you have followed the current William Tyrell case there is a similar language used. Are you watching the video? [Just racing], just, just wanted to get on that bike and just ride it.and he was just in [heaven]. The use of the word heaven is not an uncommon statement but we must consider that due to the nature of the case and the language in the case pointing to William being run over its use may have more significance. Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group. Deputy State Coroner Grahame will hand down her findings at the NSW Coroner's Court on June 18, 2021. If I was asked what I had done today and I replied I just watched TV am I being deceptive? They drain his septic tank. The charges come as police spend a third day searching three areas in Kendall, on the NSW Mid-North Coast, for Williams body. "Please help my family, most of all me, find our precious William.". Because at the time of William's disappearance it was visible. That's not a reliable denial. William was just three years old when he vanished while playing with his sister on September 12, 2014. It is just something that happened to them - not who they are. I said wheres he gone? We are no longer accepting comments on this article. I cant figure it out. He was just, its just..Weve got pictures of William riding [this] bike, and there is just [unbridled] joy, just over his face, he was just free, and [he], [we] would have, and he was really good. At least in my gut every day, stronger and stronger, I know we`re going to see Caylee. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. She could have even asked Dr Phil What do you mean by harmed her but it seems her mind automatically jumped straight to death as if the knowledge was already there. I agree with your comment regarding the dogs. 'I don't want to come across as if I'm blaming them or being mean, but it's just been really hard,' she said about losing William, who she still hoped would be returned to her care. Adrian, they were sitting on some sort of porch/patio I think. : ever) some weird way of saying Karlie is never, ever coming back? And, if you didn't care great. Maybe that is a strategy though, because the biological parents might use such signs to instigate or bolster a claim for damages. I brought her home. So the liar is vague and minimises details when necessary. Jamie Redknapp sells six-bed Surrey mansion he shared with both his wives for 4.95M Partygate civil servant Sue Gray could be barred from joining Labour for a year as 'vindictive' Cabinet Why you DON'T need to ask your in-laws' permission to propose! Seventy-four per cent of children who are abducted and murdered by strangers are killed within three hours of being abducted, the court heard. She merely mentions that the neighbor says he saw her. She finishes by telling us that Karlie was Just there, she was just hanging out. Did it take minutes for William to die? I do think she is crazy (BPD?) William's biological parents had been seeing him every month, but as he became a long term placement that access was reduced to bimonthly. This brings me to a question. -Order of importance1. She does not wish to be alone in the boy going missing. Yet Justice Brereton decided that the fact that the child in this case disappeared while in the parental responsibility of the Minister is "a matter of legitimate public interest", and would therefore outweigh any risk of - as FACS argued - having a "stigmatising effect on the child" and his relatives. One example below -And, being a mother, I wasn't going to take her to the hospital. The foster mother told the court how she was told not to call Mr Laidlaw, but to instead go through other investigators on the team. At the date reported missing, he was 3 years, 3 months old; incapable of survival, protection or caring for self. The foster mother allegedly saying "Do you see daddy's car" fits right into that scenario because it implies William walked towards the road where he supposedly was grabbed by a kidnapper. The call from Mum to the washing machine repairman (sex offender) asking if the new part had come in may have been a "code".WAs William trafficked? Then she saw the curtains go "whooeshj"The slamming of the door would have wake up the kids instantly. Thank you Autumn.I will watch & tell you my impressions. Why else would she say but hes older? It was disclosed that William's biological parents absconded with him for six weeks in 2012, following a children's court order. It`s like you said Autumn if they had said something along the lines of we dont know what happened we would deem that reasonable, but for them to say we know nothing about it starts alarm bells ringing. (Has it been verified the husband had a meeting? But dont love our lawbreakers so Im writing to you for help to share this with your viewers. Plans were in place for William and his sister to be adopted by a foster family, but the biological mother was "not happy" about that, she said. What if she fell and hit her head? I wonder if this is in case Karlie is found with a head injury?The following statement shows a change in reality that isnt correct. But today in the witness box the foster mother said she knew straight away it was far more sinister. The following quote is from Peters excellent book Wise As a Serpent; Gentle As a Dove: Dealing With Deception (p. 109) Cindy said to the press "George and I don't believe Caylees`s in the woods or anything"Adrian. Maybe that's where Karlie is (in every lie there is some truth). The foster mother suddenly remembering that she saw three suspicious cars (three is the number of liars) nearby and even exchanging weird glances with one of the drivers also fits the kidnapper scenario perfectly. "The children were excited to see nanna," Mr Craddock said. We always enjoy watching your show every night Im writing to you now and informing you of some news my daughter Karlie Guse went on a walk this morning and nwver [sic] returned. This kind of confusion of pronouns is not natural. We must also factor in what Leigh noticed which was Melissa did not commit to her words with a pronoun. I know in my heart she`s not far. The foster mother allegedly made the drive in her mother's car before her husband had returned to the house to join the search for William. I immediately got out of the carThats a big difference in a few lines of text, who knows what new information we might discover if we revise the transcript fully.Adrian. Was he unable to see William because the windows of his car were dirty? We can look at it two ways, firstly that it was used to minimise actions which means they did more than just drive around. William Tyrrell's complicated family dynamic explained: From foster He is beneath ground. Autumn I think you have nailed it.I will have a look at that video now. Both uses dont add up so I see deception whichever way you look at it. If police have shared information with a family, it could cause someone to speak in the past tense.Factors:Time: how much time has passed? As early as 7 AM the foster mother opens the curtains and supposedly sees two suspicious cars (aged and unkempt) on the road opposite Nanna's house. William being in foster care was no secret. Also: in the police interview she talks about her brothers' kids running the street around Nanna's house with no fear. Anne Maree Sharpley (the first neighbor to speak to the foster mother on the morning William disappeared) reportedly testified during the inquest that the foster mother told her words to the effect of: Hes either hit his head and cant answer me or somebodys taken him because he knows to answer me. Why would the foster mother specifically - out of all the possible reasons that William was not responding to her calls - mention as (first) possibility that William had hit his head?Buried "down the path" -> I believe investigators indicated that the search for William was so thorough that he would have probably been found had he still been in the area (also: a path doesn't seem like a very practical burying place).Autumn, John, I didn't read your comment carefully enough. A month later, he was located at the home of a relative, then taken into foster care, the Coroner's Court at Lidcombe heard on Monday morning. This mother still has not called her foster son by his name, nor has she come out and asked for help in finding him. I just reread the wiki thing for the first time in probably 8 years and I had forgotten that Martha says that the Boy in the Box died when the boy threw up baked beans and the mother slammed his HEAD repeatedly into the floor. I was speaking for me, answering a question to me. In 2019, the foster mother tearfully told the podcast which arose from the 'Where's William' campaign that William's disappearance was 'the never-ending nightmare' in their lives. She then states that after she got ready for bed with all of those activities that are sensitive to sexual and domestic abuse, And, so we ended up back in the living room with her brothers for a little bit. Thats weird. Where is William: 60 Minutes_Part 1 of 3_September 6, 2015 If you watch this video and skip to the 11m 44s point you will see the parents talk of the car.The father talks about the children always looking out for him and running to the gate but is interjected by his wife. William Tyrrell's birth mother (above) last saw her son on an access visit in August 2014 when she noticed he was 'more affectionate than usual' and cuddled her rather than racing around, William's birth father (above) last saw his son at the Chipmunks Playland at the Macquarie CVentre in North Sydney in August 2014. On its page, the group advocates for a Coronial Inquest into Williams disappearance, something they now hope possible as a result of this weeks victory. And does she know what cruelty happened?Autumn, Another facebook message by Melissa ( Moms refers to herself):Moms gut instinct is that she is passed out in the foothills or she was taken by someobevoff [sic] hwy 6 most likely going north.Autumn, OT Madeleine McCann documentary (5 parts)https://youtu.be/lhACS6ck-Dw (part 1)https://youtu.be/fRQQWmpiO3s (part 2)https://youtu.be/dXtBWNCFt7U (part 3)https://youtu.be/na4aBr5PTYY (part 4)https://youtu.be/EpaiVpHOFKg (part 5). There is a documentary on YouTube called AUSTRALIAN BIGFOOT: The Vanishing of William Tyrell 2017. It would be interesting to know where the dogs did lead the Police because there must have been some scent to follow.The statement you posted:I know in hindsight that they werent there but whilst I was searching I didnt. For example, if the person is missing at sea, or in sub zero weather, the natural resistance to referring to the missing person in the past tense will be diminished. Possible motive for cover up -> I think it was probably a neglectful accident. The only thing I can think of is that somebody saw William at the McDonalds (where the family stopped to eat underway) and followed the family to Nannas house hoping they could snatch William away at some point. 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If they were not on the patio, where were they sitting on two chairs. Of course it may be through sentiment on her part but we must consider it could have other connotations connected to it. Im on here to share more info. She, yes, she was paranoid. She indicates guilty knowledge about what happened. If you have no idea then you can say nothing because there is no thought to create the words with.We have the same problem with we know nothing about it. If I was to tell someone I have nothing to say they should think then why the hell did you open your mouth. Was it an accident? One more comment on the photo question: At one point in her answer the foster mother says:And I look at that picture and I just think, minutes, minutes, and our world has changed.When I read that comment I thought: Minutes, minutes? Thanks. William's foster parents who cannot be named for legal reasons became emotional as they handed a book of photographs to Deputy State Coroner Harriet Grahame before she closed the inquest at Lidcombe Coroners Court, in Sydney's west on Thursday. So if we believe the mother, and we should do as we must let her guide us with her words, we are looking at an extra person being at the scene. That on returning home the Father accidentally ran over William with his car. If it raises the chance of getting/finding your child back, who cares what is needed? Or is this a clue of Karlies location? There are no well shafts in that forest here in Australia. Carnage outside the nightclubs of Britain with Bank holiday treat! Possible kidnappers had no way of knowing if and when an opportunity would arise to kidnap William. William's sister, who cannot be named for legal reasons, recorded a message which was played at the end of a 19-month inquest into the three-year-old's suspected abduction. The language of William Tyrells father:P: So you raised the alarm immediately?M: Well I raced around for a bit, then went down and got the neighbour to help, then D came back, because he had a meeting.D: I had a meeting and [I arrived back] and there was a [bit] of confusion if William was with me, because hes always looking out for me and my car, and [I was on my way back], and [Id arrived back] [and been asked] if William was with me and I said no, then I [immediately got out of the car] and started [looking around], and within 5 minutes we raised the alarm and I [think] I ran the perimeter of the whole street within about 10-15 minutes, and I mean, he [wouldnt], hes [not] a wanderer, he [wouldnt] [even] cross the street by himself. );- no person can be seen (William overlooked by whoever was in the car?). The woman understood to be Tyrrells foster mother will have her matter heard at Sydneys Downing Centre local court on 24 May. Why would the foster mother insist if William didnt want to? We were just, I was out there talking with my mum and my other daughter soThe original had [no] I think that should be know so I changed it above.She starts by repeated No,no,no,no,no which I believe is certainty on her part. The episode (in 3 parts) can be found here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTh6DM5FEAYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H5fhsGSVOMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxxLQ_K5ljYIn the first episode, the foster mother mentions at least twice a tree she was trying to let William climb in.
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